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Game: The Elder Scrolls Online
Content Type: Gaming News
Date: March 22, 2015

A leaked image of a 50% experience boost potion has the Community wondering if ESO will become pay-to-win.

eso will become play-to-winA few days ago, an Elder Scrolls Online player named Lionxoft shared a datamined image on the official forums. The leaked image shows an experience boost potion that grants a massive 50% Experience Point bonus for two hours. As it stands now, there is no potion or in-game item that comes even close to granting such a boost.

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It’s no secret that The Elder Scrolls Online has been planning to sell experience boost potions in the game’s cash shop. Game Director Matt Firor has been very forthright about this. In last month’s Road Ahead blog post, Firor writes:

I know there’s some concern and discussion around what types of items you’ll see in the Crown Store in the future, and I want to stress that our philosophy of convenience and customization will always be used to make the determination of what goes into the store and what doesn’t. As such, I can tell you that we’ll almost certainly have experience boost potions in the store at some point, as this kind of shortcut (spending less time to gain experience) is classified as a convenience.

Despite Firor’s assurances, the image of a 50% experience boost potion is causing consternation on the forums. Several posters are upset, feeling that if such a potion becomes available for sale, ESO will become Pay-To-Win (P2W).

As a poster named sebban writes:

This is not a convenience, this is clearly a case of paying money to get ahead of other players. Pay 2 win.

What’s next? “Oh it would be REALLY convenient if I could just buy all the best gear for money!”

Slippery slope.

Another poster named Zershar_Vemod rages:

50% is NOT a convenience.

That is a load of BS and you guys know it. Guessing ZOS won’t even try to justify this beyond your prewritten “but it’s for convenience” excuse? Pathetic…

Lower it to 10% and then some very small justification can be made….but 50%….yeah, good luck with keeping a positive image there.

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Still, not everyone feels that a 50% experience boost potion is P2W. A poster named Shehriazad writes:

I still fail to see how 50% XP potions are pay to win.

Grinding XP faster =/= Turning you into a winner

Sure…if the person spams those pots until he reaches 3600 CP [Champion Points]…he will get there faster than a non paying person…but let’s be real…you are still looking at hundreds to thousands of hours of playtime, aye?

Another poster named TheRealDoc fumes:

I’ll tell you what will kill this game quicker, people whining that every item in the crown store will be P2W and “kill the game” and “I’ll quit if it goes ahead”.

The game is free, it needs money to survive. Some people have time, some people have money, both will get to the same place eventually.

The only time it would make a real difference to you is in PvP and with the amount of people in the game, odds are equal that you’ll get face stomped by a time or a money player. The real difference will be in player skill and one key press and likely time or money make no difference at all.

Deal with it and stay or deal with it and leave, most people don’t really care what other people do, they just want to have fun and enjoy a quality game, but everyone please quit whining every 5 mins about something that will make no real difference to you.

As of now, this potion is not available for sale in the cash shop. Also, the devs have been quick to remind players that datamined images do not necessarily reveal final items that will appear in the game.

So where do you stand? Does even the hint that ESO will become play-to-win set off alarm bells, giving credence to the fears that were first raised when the game dropped the subscription requirement? If so, would a 50% experience boost potion be P2W, or would this simply be a convenience item for sale in the Crown Store? Let us know what you think in the Speak Your Mind section below.

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Petri Bethruz
Petri Bethruz

I wouldn’t/will not waist my crowns for those potions. Wouldn’t dear to waist my crowns if there was best armor you can possibly get. My opinion if that by cheating like this, I would only cheat myself.


Would love to see these potions go through. Just because i level faster, doesnt mean I can beat you, or do better than you in a actual gameplay scenario.

People like me who can only play at night, or have a more restricted life would beg for these – and with eso being a game that i deem more older generation friendly, potions like this should very much exist. No not gear, but EXP? Take away the grind for something, leave it for others who prefer it, but I would love to cut my time in half.

(plus its only 2 hours, with a huge cooldown. When you can only play for 2 hours a day, bingo!)


It’d NOT a huge cooldown, it’s literally ZERO downtime. 7200 seconds is 2 hours. It’s just there so you can’t stack the potion essentially. Once the potion wears out you can drink another! No cooldown at all. Very bad, huge Pay to Win, since end game is all about grining for champion points. The only way to stay relevant is to get a lot of CP, this is so pay to win it’s not even funny


This is NOT pay-to-win. Pay-to-win is offering something to paying players that give them an advantage over a non-paying player of equal level, like gear, as Ryan pointed out. Since a non-paying player can still earn the 3600 champion points by grinding it out, he is still on equal footing as the paying player. Oh BOO HOO that you can’t get to the maximum level as fast as a player who pays. So what? The last time I checked the game wasn’t a race to the top and if that is the way you view it I feel sorry for you because you are missing the whole point of the game. In the end, when you actually do have your toon maxed out, are you any weaker than the paying player who spent money to get there faster? No.

Conversely, if the store offered, oh I don’t know, some type of OP weapon that cannot be found or crafted in the game, would that be pay-to-win? Absolutely! Because at any equal level of player, whether maxed out and playing end game or just starting out, the paying player with the OP weapon is going to have the advantage over the non-paying equal level player. THAT is pay-to-win.

So until they start offering OP gear or stat boosts (potions or otherwise) that can’t be had in the game itself, it’s not pay-to-win no matter how long or loud you whine about it.

And as far as this whole argument goes, if you don’t like it, quit playing. If there is one thing I have learned in playing MMOs for many years, is that when they do decide to go pay-to-win (and they all eventually do at some point), no amount of whining from non-paying players is going to stop them. Why? Because you don’t play. You wanna quit? There’s the door, you don’t pay us to give a **** about your opinion on how we operate the game. So if you think ESO is already there and is going P2W, then you might as well just quit. However, if you are like me, you’ll just keep enjoying the game for as long as possible. I know my MO when it comes to MMO’s. I’ll play them until it starts getting too expensive (yes I do shell out a little money if a game is good enough) or when things that used to be free (i.e. in game items) become purchase only (yes, I’ve seen it happen more than a few times). Until then I just chill, grind, and enjoy the company of the people I meet.


I fail to see how this is pay to win, does it make it faster to max a char out LVL and CP wise yes, but there is a max and there are a TON of people with them, this will most often likely see use for alts and players with little time as those with the time simply don’t need them, further mara ring, subscription, and two man party nets 30% xp (that likely won’t stack with this potion.) Over all people just like to freaking whine, they like to spend there lives maxing out a character and get upset that others might actually have a better chance of reaching there without having all day to play every day.

Even if it was 3K% XP it wouldn’t be pay to win. bottom line is that there are countless players at max so allowing others to catch up easier does in no way make it pay to win. some will use cash and spend time working, some will spend time on the game and save the cash they get from working for other things.

Now cash to unlock races, classes, and stuff like that which you can’t just play a little to unlock start to break the game for me.

though I like the XP potions, likely won’t use them, would much rather see more cosmetic stuff in the store to spend crowns on

Randal Mcdaniels
Randal Mcdaniels

Leveling up is not winning.. stupid article

an example of P2W would be an exclusive $19.99 sword that has much higher damage output than free swords


it helps ppl lvl faster how is that P2W?

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